top of page

Avengers: Age of Ultron

Conversational Review

Posted by Stephen Lambrechts & Anthony O'Connor - 22/04/2015

STEPHEN: The impact of The Avengers cannot be understated. As the closing film of the first phase of the newly-established Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), the first Avengers movie acted as the culmination of something that began in several individual franchises. The films of Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, Thor and Captain America all came together in the biggest superhero team-up film of all time. Earning a billion and half dollars at the box office, and responsible for countless memes and Loki-themed Tumblr pages in the process, The Avengers had become an undeniable phenomenon. 

 

But that was then. The Avengers was a noticeable step up from the comparatively smaller character films of Thor and Captain America: The First Avenger, but how does its sequel stand up to the Phase Two films that have come since? Does Avengers: Age of Ultron have what it takes to wow us in a post-Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy world? And is it able to top the lofty heights set by its predecessor?

 

ANTHONY: Age of Ultron has a dizzying amount of heavy lifting to do. It needs to reintroduce our heroes, set up the brand new titular villain, add some new characters to the roster and somehow hit the emotional beats along with pumping up the visceral action. The result is a movie that is far denser than the original Avengers, with numerous subplots and character arcs. In lesser hands it could have been a mess but Joss Whedon does some of his best work here, particularly with the fleshing out of the lesser Avengers. Black Widow and Hulk have a great little story and even Hawkeye is given something to do.

 

STEPHEN: While that's certainly true, top-tier avengers like Iron Man and Thor are given much less to do this time around. Tony Stark gets the thankless task of accidentally creating the film's villain Ultron, but then takes a backseat for most of the film. A standout sequence between Hulk and Stark in his 'Hulkbuster' armour gets a good amount of screen time, though both heroes feel completely absent through multiple subsequent action set pieces.

 

ANTHONY: Yes, the bad news about including this many subplots is that some of the narrative is given short shrift. There's a middle section with Thor that feels truncated to the point of not making much sense, whereas the domestic life of Hawkeye, while well executed, wasn't exactly high on my list of things I wanted to see fleshed out in an Avengers film. In terms of pure cinematic experience it means we get fewer fist-pumping moments of giddy "HELLS YEAH!" heroism and more complicated, layered characterisation. Ultron, for instance, is such a weird, interesting character. He's basically the angry, bitter son of Tony Stark and emulates his faux daddy's smug sarcasm but adds a streak of misanthropy. Oh and attempted genocide.

STEPHEN: Ultron is indeed one of the better MCU villains to come along so far, though his impact wasn't quite as strong as I was hoping. He starts off creepy and menacing, then sort of retreats into comedic asides as the film progresses. I'd have liked the father/son aspect to have been explored further between Tony and Ultron, and of course between Ultron and his son (and MVP of the film, in my opinion) Vision.

 

What did you think of Vision, Ant?

 

ANTHONY: Vision's appearance on screen actually left me elated. I was overjoyed at this weird, interesting character - an odd mix of pragmatism and optimism - who is so unusual both in look and manner. Paul Bettany takes the best of JARVIS and adds in an ambiguous appeal. A welcome addition to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, as is Scarlet Witch.

 

There's so much going on in Age of Ultron, it occasionally strains at the seams. Apparently there was an original cut of three hours plus and weirdly, I think I'd like to see that. It's not often I watch a 2.5 hour movie and want more but there you go, that's the weird situation I find myself in.

 

STEPHEN: At the same time, it also might've benefitted from dropping one of its major set pieces, which is not to say that they weren't all thrilling and exciting in their own right, just that it got a little superfluous. 

 

Still, the overall film is better paced than the original. The Avengers took a little while to warm up as it brought its group together and set up its conflict, leaving the first 20 minutes or so to be a bit of a snooze. Thankfully, Age of Ultron jumps straight into the action, giving us an established team that's already working together on a big mission to take down Baron von Strucker. It's here where we are introduced to Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch. I thought both characters were a welcome addition to the franchise, in particular the latter. I've also heard many people say that they prefer the version of Quicksilver that appeared in X-Men: Days of Future Past, but I don't entirely agree. That version was fun and provided the standout scene of that film, though this version of Quicksilver proves to be more heroic and have more depth. I found the small scenes between he and his sister to be quite affecting, even if they weren't really focused on.

ANTHONY: Agreed, the additions to the team were great and felt organic, even if perhaps it came at expense of the big three (Iron Man, Thor and Captain America). I also thought the third act and climax had some of the best superhero action I've ever seen. You described one sure-to-be iconic moment as a "Caravaggio with superheroes" and it's an apt description of a jaw-dropping set piece. For all the quips and banter (which are uniformly hilarious and deft) there is a sense of giddy optimism and truly heroic heroes that represents the best of Marvel. Essentially Avengers films are the cinematic equivalent of big crossover comic book events and done well, they're as stirring as they are grandiose.
 

STEPHEN: Yep – that moment sent shivers of delight up my spine. It's like the world's best comic book double page spread, only in glorious motion. 

 

I want to bring up Hulk, as I feel that he wasn't used as well in this film, which is a shame, because he was used so magnificently in the first Avengers film. For the first time, he was used in a way that embraced the fun aspect of the character. Now, he's kind of retreated into the tortured-soul character that people didn't quite connect with in Ang Lee's Hulk 

and The Incredible Hulk. There are no great "puny god" or 'Thor sucker punch' moments in this film, or if there were, I've already forgotten them. Considering that the Avengers movies are the only time we get to see Hulk explored in the MCU, it's a bit of a let-down. 

 

ANTHONY: Hmmm. The Hulk stuff didn't bother me as much. I love Hulk, he may be my favourite Avenger, but I think Whedon was trying to draw out his softer side in the story. Self loathing is just part of his character. Although I do rather wish we'd get to the stage where he's intelligent in Hulk form. And OF COURSE I'd love to see a standalone Hulk adventure with Ruffalo. You're right, though, in terms of iconic moments he doesn't get a classic zinger.

 

STEPHEN: He's always been my favourite Avenger, too, though I feel in this film he was easily eclipsed by other heroes. 

 

Without going into spoiler territory, I can say I'm quite excited about the future of the Avengers series, and that things have indeed been shaken up. While I was initially upset about Joss Whedon;s decision to move on from the franchise before seeing the film, I'm now totally okay with Age of Ultron being his last Marvel movie. He once again did a fantastic job of creating characters of depth with a real sense of banter, though I can tell that he's already said everything he has to say on the franchise. It's better to go this way, rather than see him retreading the same territory in future films. I can't wait to see what The Winter Soldier's Russo brothers do when they take over the reigns.

 

ANTHONY: There was a sense of second act, or middle section, to this tale. It's laying the groundwork for the Infinity Wars two-parter and indeed the Captain America: Civil War storyline, where the status quo really gets shaken up. That said, I was happy to be back with the Avengers, even if their assembly was a little more complicated and less streamlined this time. While it doesn't always reach the giddy heights of the first film, I think it's a more consistent adventure that hits the ground running and rarely lets up. Joss Whedon brought a lot of warmth, humour and emotion to the MCU and it was a pleasure to have him playing in the Marvel sandbox.

 

STEPHEN: Do you think it will have the rewatchablility of the first film, though? I can watch The Avengers at the drop of a hat.

 

I must've seen it about a dozen times since its release.

 

ANTHONY: Hmmm. That's a good question. Will some of the second act stumbles get better or worse with repeat viewings? I know in the case of the original Avengers I tend to skip the wonky opening section and get right to the action about 30 minutes in. I have a feeling the opening and ending of Ultron will get at least a few more spins, but it doesn't feel like the go-to rainy day flick that is the original and, more recently, Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

STEPHEN: I thoroughly enjoyed the film, and can see it growing on me further as time goes on, however if I had to rate it against Marvel's other films, it would still sit under the first Avengers movie, The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy. Avengers: Age of Ultron is a perfect example of the kind of crowd-pleasing blockbuster that audiences expect in this day and age, though I don't think it will achieve classic-status like the first film.

ANTHONY: Agreed.  Lots to really like but less to flatout love.

 

STEPHEN: It still has moments that inspire awe, and quite frankly, I could never tire of these characters.

What score you gonna give it, Ant?

ANTHONY: It's a 4/5 for me. Totally enjoyable escapist fun but some second act plot niggles proved distracting. Still should ABSOLUTELY be experienced on the big screen, preferably with a crowd of like-minded geek pals. In short: a hoot.

 

STEPHEN: Agreed. 4/5 for me too (though you should know, I'd probably give the first Avengers movie a 6/5 for being so damn awesome and endlessly watchable). I think topping The Avengers was always going to be a tall order, and I'm really happy that Avengers: Age of Ultron holds its own. I'm looking forward to Avengers: Infinity War wholeheartedly.

 

Until we meet again to watch Ant-Man, Ant-man.

 

 

ANTHONY: ★★★★

 

STEPHEN: ★★★★

RECENT ARTICLES

bottom of page